There must be a way to detonate the revolution, beginning in the sides of inner fields and flaring out to engulf the world--beginning with Edmonton, inspiring hundreds, thousands, of people. Problem that we all have our own ideas of what to do...is there any long-term plan? There must be (?), and i am out of touch with what is going on. The Muslim community, first of all--there is MAC, the AIYC, however many other groups...
1) do these folks have ideas of, "here, this is what we want Edmontonian Muslims in 2025 to be like, and this is what we're doing to achieve this", or not?
2) if they /do/ have these kind of goals, how do they fundamentally differ?
Because see, this is an issue i have, and i want answers before i come back, so i can decide where / with whom to work. It's a main reason i stepped away from ECAWAR, because they were not interested in longterm, just topical reactionary oh no the US is evil let us do a protest-march. Which is nice, but not nice enough. So...the Edmonton-area people who read this should answer the above, and everyone else--what about your areas? Do whatever Muslim bodies/organizations exist have longterm plans?
And not just Muslims, too. The rest of you: social-political movements/networks, do they have longterm plans? (eg. "establishing the socialist empire")
and yeah, i'm probably stirring a soup of worms of local politics, and you're right, this is not what i should be thinking about when i have only so many weeks left here, but it came to mind after some things Shaikh Anas said, and so i thought i would ask.
and then our exile
Monday, July 11, 2005 at 8:02 p.m.
Mike said...
Tim and I are haphazardly trudging through the paperwork for a "democracy centre". Our goal is twofold: 1) to provide a tangible location for people of any or no affiliation to get information on issues that affect them; and 2) to provide resources such as access to information and eduction on how to use such access. We hope to be able to provide space for other start-up groups. A longer-term goal of the project is to produce a publication on social issues and local solutions; the emphasis not on affiliations but on working together to achieve common goals.
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To be perfectly honest, for now you should work with nice, clean, no-politics people like the Muslim Minute. I kid thee not. I know I would usually push the MM cause in a joky manner, but I push it honestly here.
You can *try* and decide to enter the other fray, the mess, of local organizations and politics.
And.. you can go to sleep crying at night :).
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basit said...
tim who?
ack no my sleep is irregular as it is. MM stuff is nice and clean and i like it thusly, but--i still want to know though. ideas for edmonton in 2025, do they exist?
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Salwa said...
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Every Muslim organization that's come and gone has had long-term ideas. I'm sure other organizations are the same way. It's the in-between stuff that needs work.
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Mike said...
Edmonton in 25 yrs should have a comprehensive public rail-transit system and regulations governing the local refineries...
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Plans exist......a person only needs the trained eye (to recognize the truth) and a mute ear (to the politics) to recognize them.
May Allah (swt) guide you to the right organization :-)
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'deaf' not 'mute'........sorry!!
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Not all plots are worn on sleeves. Much of Youth Council's phillistinery is driven by Alex Hindle's desired sprawl halting, or my purusit of trees and an Underground. These are no more (and no less) plausible than swaying Washington with Gnome Chomsky.
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basit said...
ph.r.d - ah. this is what i wanted to know.
...so what are they?
taqa - ah, you tortured poet. you are so helpful.
javed - are you sure? i'm not so sure. i probably amn't in position to say anything, and maybe it's just that i only see what some people (groups) do ie. in the moment.
mike - well, i hope so.
anonymous, whom i am guessing is maybe (maybe) murtada? - amen. :)
alan - hah. i think it was Chompsky, wasn't it, not Chomsky? because of the chomping. but anyways. sprawl is bad and trees are good.
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on a very other note: you've heard jeff buckley do hallelujah, you've heard leonard cohen do hallelujah, and now you get to hear muhammad al-husyan. i started laughing when i recognized it, because it was wow. the words are different, i think i like them better now, but e'en so.
also, the same deal on cat stevens' morning has broken.
what mixes do /you/ want to hear?
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Salwa said...
lol @ the links
mashallah very creative -- so does this mean im allowed to pick back up my guitar and play along with the cat stevens one again?
salaam salaam
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Sorry to disappoint but I'm not Murtada.
Though I certainly take that as a compliment!!!
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SStudios said...
Salwa
I'm pretty sure that guitars are haram.
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basit said...
salwa - (wasalam wasalam) well, better that than the jeff buckley, i think. there was a time last year when his guitar was driving me insane, i couldn't get it out of my head.
anonymous - well, i tried. so do i know you?
muntaqa - i don't know man, that's a pretty judgmental statement. you need to be tolerant and accepting and open your mind. talk to your brother in law, he seems to have taken the flower power stuff to heart. :)
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basit said...
say, what if bruce cockburn converted and did a version of "ilzam baaba rabbik"? i'd like to hear that.
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Even if these organizations don't have long-term plans, the challenge for you is to work with them to put a plan into place...not to criticize from outside. And I'm not implying that you're doing that, but I find that too many people have an idealized impression of what Islamic organizations should be like, and yet they're unwilling to make it happen. Instead they look at the faults of the present organizations and lament the state of the Islamic society at large.
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Salwa said...
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My identity is just a triviality.
Whats of greater concern is whether your original question was answered??
ps. remember that curiosity killed the cat :-)
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basit said...
safiyyah - the question was wondering if the plans existed in the first place. i'm sitting 9000k away wondering where jump in, in a month or so, and wanted to know what side of the pool to...do so from. so to speak. or i just dream. or criticize. (:
farooq - thank you beta, and to this whole 'yo that's my nametag' sufi salafi unity deal. oh, and you know that schoolbus? it is made of GREEN CHEESE.
anonymous - original question. well, i got more of an answer from a few minutes talk with zalkhatib two days ago than from twenty-some comments on this post. the sterility of technology. just that some detailed plans exist with some groups. the rest i guess can wait for a month.
ps. glad i'm not a cat then. at least say if i know you or not. and if i do who you are. (:
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"When something needs to be said, not the right people are around to hear it. When the right people are around, its not the right time to say it!!!"
Certain issues can't be discussed on internet blogs.
ps. you certainly do know me.....except that my identity will trumpet the horn for one particular organization. I believe in 'actions speak louder than words,' so decide for yourself when you come back :-)
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Mike said...
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Mike said...
"Certain issues can't be discussed on internet blogs"; this is probably the case for the important ones anyway.
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NoHeadJoe said...
I´m just going to jump in here and say that I´m all for a comprehensive rail transit system...also longterm plans often equate to longterm failure...¿what are you attempting to change? ¿and can non-muslims change too?...spanish puntuation is fun.
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basit said...
t - ahem.
anonymous - you're right. and i can wait.
mike - there are different kinds of mystery.
james - hm good to hear from you. when do you get back? i think you told me but i forgot. anything can turn into shortterm or longterm failure, that isn't the point. we are going to change the World.
nonmuslims i guess depends on the issue and what kind of world we're aiming at.
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